Mama's Cup of Ambition

Momversation with Ashley Blackington Part Two

• Rachel Mae | Ashley Blackington • Season 2 • Episode 72

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In part two of my momversation with Ashley Blackington we'll dive deeper into motherhood and ambition challenging the notion that motherhood and personal dreams can't coexist. Tune in, and let's navigate this exciting journey together.

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May your dreams be ambitious and may your coffee be strong! xoxo -Rachel Mae

Rachel Mae:

Hey, I just wanted to drop in really quickly before this episode gets started to let you know that this is part two of my mom's conversation with Ashley, so if you missed last week's episode, I highly recommend that you go back and listen to part one of our conversation first and then come back and tune in to this episode. Okay, let's get into it. Hello, hello and welcome to Momma's Cup of Ambition, the show for ambitious mamas with big dreams and little kids. I'm your host, rachel May, country singer, songwriter and Momma of Two, and I'm so excited to be here presenting another installment of the momversation series.

Rachel Mae:

I created this series as a way to have fun and honest conversations with mamas at every stage of their dream chasing journey and, through a series of questions curated specifically for these momversations, we'll get acquainted with the mamas in this community. We'll chat about everything from their biggest ambitions to their favorite TV shows and everything in between. My intention is to create a space for inspiration, connection and solidarity for us mamas navigating the wild world of motherhood and dream chasing. Wherever you are in your journey, this series is for you. So grab yourself a cup of coffee or your favorite beverage of choice and let's have a momversation. Okay, so tell us what's something that you wish someone had told you before becoming a momma.

Ashley:

I wish that somebody had told me to like follow my gut. Every single time I have tried to like benefit of the doubt, it's come back to honey. There's a lot of shoulds that go on, especially in early, early in your motherhood journey, when you have especially your first kid. There's a lot of people who know better and there's nobody who knows better than you, and you have to like not live in fear of the what ifs you know, and that only happens when you really follow your gut and you really don't let other people make decisions for you or try and sway you in any certain way.

Rachel Mae:

So true, and it's so easy to get caught up in that or swept up in that, especially as a new momma.

Rachel Mae:

You're just in the thick of it, trying to figure things out and you it's really easy to get away from your own internal compass because it feels like there's so much coming at you all the time of like this is the way to do it or this is the way that it's been done, but really no two kids are alike and no two parents are alike and we all really do need to lean into that gut feeling and that intuition and know that we know, like you're saying, what's best for us and our family and our unique situations and our children. And yeah, that's powerful.

Ashley:

Yeah.

Rachel Mae:

So good, okay, so do you have a go to influencer? It could be like a blogger or a podcast or yeah, like there's a few that I follow.

Ashley:

There's another podcast called Pursuing Her Purpose and it's about these three women who are moms, who are growing and building businesses, and so it's been interesting because it's people that are actually talking about that balance and that push pull. I do love Mel Robbins because she's very to the point and I think that there's a lot of times out there that things are like, again, these shoulds that get put out as like philosophical, when it's really just like lace and doily version of somebody else telling you what you need to be doing, whereas, like I feel like her advice or her like what she puts out into the world is really about listening to yourself and it's really about, you know, waiting through the fluff. But those are kind of like if I got in the car and put on a podcast, like those would be, and yours as well, is Aw, thank you. I can't skip over that. Be like yeah, everyone's great, Thanks for having me.

Ashley:

It's great to have other perspectives and it's great to hear about other moms and their experiences, because that is that benefit of social media and that's the benefit of the internet age that we live in. Is that like I don't have to go. You live not near me and I don't have to like get on a plane to sit down and talk to you. I can totally put on my headphones and connect with another mom.

Rachel Mae:

I love that. There's something about podcasts that I just heard somebody saying that there was some piece of research that was showing that people who listen to podcasts like what happens in the brain? There was like a reaction similar to having a conversation with a friend. The reaction that your body has when listening to a podcast that you feel connected to or that you love. Like you feel like you're having a back and forth conversation with a friend, which is wild because, like you're just listening to somebody talking or people having a conversation. But we've all had that experience of being like transported, like you feel like you're a part of that conversation, and I think that's such a great thing. In motherhood, too, like I feel like some of my favorite podcasts have been in a long for some of my loneliest moments, especially living through the pandemic. Maybe I didn't have that physical contact with other moms, but being able to like tune in to these podcasts felt like I had some sort of connection.

Ashley:

Yeah, and I really think that the thing that I really love about the podcast world is like because it's not super curated at the moment for a lot of it is that you really like people are. People gravitate towards authenticity and they gravitate towards people who are standing there like holding up a sign.

Ashley:

going like this is hard and these are all the things that are hard, you know people aren't necessarily like drawn to perfection, like, yes, you can, you can listen to podcasts where people have like, have these wildly successful lives and I use the air quotes very, very liberally on that. But like you've like that, that can be an aspirational thing versus an inspirational thing, totally.

Rachel Mae:

Your favorite product or resource that has made mom life easier.

Ashley:

That has definitely changed over time. I was telling we were talking all things newborn with someone earlier today and they were like is a white warmer worth it? And I was like yes, yes, it is. And so like if you asked me, you know, eight years ago or so, I'd be like that is the thing. My current favorite product and would love to be an affiliate for them is the Solar Buddies sunscreen applicator.

Rachel Mae:

Have you heard of this. I don't know what this is. No, what is this?

Ashley:

So the company is called Solar Buddies. You can buy them on Amazon. It is an applicator for sunscreen. Do you remember those old like the 90s deodorants that had the ball in them that rolls? Yeah, so it's this and it has a sponge around it. You put sunscreen in. You can use it with the real zinc sunscreen, because you know there's a hole in every layer of the ozone and you can actually use your own sunscreen and you can put it on and it's thin, so your kids don't look like Casper the ghost because they're caked in zinc when you're done and your kids can put their sunscreen on themselves. So my 10, eight and five year olds apply their own sunscreen.

Rachel Mae:

Yeah, cause it's like the roller ball type. Yeah amazing.

Ashley:

I'm telling it will change the game for you when it comes to like parks and playgrounds, cause I can say like, okay, guys, we're gonna leave. I need you, you and you, to put on your sunscreen while I do this. And then they get out of the car and they go oh, so good. And they go run and they go play.

Rachel Mae:

The sunscreen is just a constant like, and I feel like I'm always chasing credit because there's still pretty little, so I don't know if they'll be able to do it on their own yet. But like chasing them around and trying to get the sunscreen is like a whole other. You have to carve out like an extra hour of time just to get the sunscreen tackled. So I'm gonna look this up. I need that in my life for sure. This is why this question is on. This is selfish, really.

Ashley:

I just want all the secrets You're like, hey, while you're here, and one of my kids does not like when other people like touch his face right, so like then you get into that, like smearing it on and it's just like we've eliminated that, I don't. I do not have to apply sunscreen to his face because he can do it himself.

Rachel Mae:

So good, okay, yeah, amazing. Well, I'm excited for this. This is like perfect timing. I'm gonna add that to my heart. Today Tis the season, yeah, okay. So tell us something you're obsessed with.

Ashley:

I would say not having to pack lunches right now. I mean that's not a thing, but I'm obsessed with not having to pack lunches. My kids have been out of school for a couple of weeks and they are moving into that period of time where, like at least my older two, like they can make their own lunch when they're home. And I am obsessed with the idea that, like you know, you go through these pockets of time where, like your kids, are really dependent and then they wanna be independent but they're not quite there yet and then they start to put together these skills and putting them in place. And so, right now, having them home for the summer is like an opportunity to see how much they've grown over the year and like what they can do and what they're capable of Like every day.

Ashley:

I'm sort of like my God, how are you like? How are you eight? Yeah, my daughter last week she's five and she got on her bike that had training wheels on it and it's clearly too small for her, and I was like, do you wanna just learn how to ride a two-wheel bike? Because we had one that was her size and she's just sort of like put it off and put it off. And last week she was like absolutely, and she learned how to ride a bike. Like she just, you know, like she's just, like I'm ready for it, and I was like I wasn't ready for that, but now I am, because now, like you know, it's to see them move forward and, like you know, you're always gonna be nostalgic about yesterday, but to see how they are growing and blossoming is pretty cool.

Rachel Mae:

Yeah, that's a great obsession, though, and I think it kind of comes back to what you were saying about like trying to strike that delicate balance of being present in these moments and soaking up and realizing, like, how fast they're going and how quickly our kids reach these milestones and transition into these new phases of life, and it's like you really can just blink and miss it. And so trying to find that balance where you really are present and aware of it, while also like still being present and aware for yourself so that, like once your kids are grown up and they're leaving the house, that you're not just like.

Rachel Mae:

Well, I have no idea who I am now, and I've not done anything for myself either. So I think that's kind of like full circle your obsession and sort of that, like dream of balance and trying to find that happy medium. Yeah, I mean and that's too.

Ashley:

Like you know, I have a lot of things coming down the line for work. I'm going to my first wholesale market next month and I'm you know it's a lot. It's a lot to prepare for these things and like there is that idea that, like my kids are growing, and my kids are growing quickly and you know there are people out there who have told me I don't really take direction well in this area. But they're like why don't you wait until your kids are older? And I'm like it takes a long time to build a business and I also need I need to do things for myself as a whole person, but also show my kids. But also, when my kids are gone, I don't want to start right now, like as they need me less lots of tears involved in that. I have that time to sort of rebalancing things, because that's how you avoid that like emptiness pocket of grief right Like that landslide into like who am I even more? It's like, well, I've been working on me as well as helping you, and there you go, yeah.

Rachel Mae:

And I think that's looking at it as separate your parent or your person and seeing it as separate is like a disservice to all of us, because they're not separate your parent and a whole person and those two things get to coexist. And that's also part of being a parent is showing your children what's possible not only for you. But then in doing that, like you said, your daughter ran upstairs and went and got her money to be your first customer, because they're seeing what's possible for you and, in turn, seeing what's possible for them.

Rachel Mae:

So, I understand like the mindset around like oh well, just wait. But I think at the same time it's like you're teaching your children skills and lessons by pursuing the parts of yourself that exist and are calling to you right now?

Ashley:

Yeah, exactly.

Rachel Mae:

And that's part of your parenting Mission is living a fulfilled life yourself.

Ashley:

Exactly exactly because I don't want you know, I don't want my kids to go out into the world and think that you can go and do all of these things and then you have your own family and now your life has to shut down for you know, however many years. That's not the way that you live a healthy and fulfilled life and that's not the example that I want yeah, for them. So, in order to not be the example, I have to do the things.

Rachel Mae:

Totally. I think about that all the time as well because I've had, like before my kids were born, I had a career as a musician and I was pursuing all these big dreams and it was kind of this like core piece of my identity and part of the reason that that's been on the back burner, not just because I had kids, but also just a new season of life, like the plane, having a band and playing gigs, and my life just looks different right now. Yeah, but I'm very aware that like I don't want my children to look back on my life at some point and be like, wow, like mom was really ambitious and had all these dreams and was going after her music career and then I was born and it all stopped and I don't ever want them to feel like they were the reason that I Gave up on that part of myself.

Rachel Mae:

Exactly if I decide to ditch that, it'll be because I'm choosing to do it, not because I've now become a mama, and I'm very aware of that, like I don't ever want them to feel the weight of that. Them coming into my life meant that I no longer got to exist as the person I was before I had them like. Sure, there's different, there's lots of parts of me that were reborn when they were born. But yeah, I think it's very. You're absolutely right. We're leading by example. You have to be the example you want your kids to model.

Ashley:

So you know, the the other thing, too, is that I believe that we are the generation of parents that is pushing back hard on the Like. You have to to live in service of others, and so we are going to Carry that torch on yeah, because it is.

Ashley:

That is common Not many generations ago to say I wanted to go to the, to school and I wanted to do this and this and this, and then I got pregnant and it's like that's, that's not it, like you have this and both life we're no longer required to live in either, or a life, however, the advice and the, you know, the judgment, and all of that stuff that still falls down the hill at us. Yeah, we are the generation that's like I'm gonna step aside and just let that keep rolling, because that does not serve me and I am. I am all done on that. Yeah, exactly, oh my gosh.

Rachel Mae:

I love where that just went. Another rabbit.

Ashley:

Hey, call me, I'm around.

Rachel Mae:

Talk about here and I'll never pass over the opportunity to just like put a little explanation point on this topic because I think it's important for Mamas to hear it. There's so much guilt and shame around taking time for ourselves and feeling like, well, if it's not directly in service of my Family, then it's not worthy and it's not a good use of my time that I'm being selfish.

Rachel Mae:

Yeah, and it's such a disservice to all of us, like one part of it is like for you to be Fulfilled as a, as a human, like your energy in this world is just going to be so much more Vibrant and joyful if you're doing something that fills your cup and you're gonna be able to pour into your family so much more.

Rachel Mae:

But not only just that. It's also like if you decided like well, I can't do this until later. The product that you're creating right now is something that's going to make huge ripple effects in the lives of a lot of Other people and it's gonna simplify Systems and processes for a lot of Mamas in turn, giving them time back to spend with their family, and that is such an amazing thing that you're putting out into the world. Yeah, and if you were like well, I guess I can't do this right now because society's telling me that I'm not allowed to pursue this until some later date, all of that Impact that you're able to make right here and now would just be on pause and we're all gonna benefit from your willingness to step forward and answer the call right that you're being called to.

Rachel Mae:

And if you're not Feeling called, I'm not saying you have to have ambitions to create a business. I think ambition comes in all kinds of shapes and sizes. But if you are being called to something, we don't need to feel guilt or shame or feel like we need to stifle it down, because we're also mamas.

Ashley:

Get off the soapbox, but no hey, you put that, put that out there in in stone, don't yeah, don't, don't drag that box anywhere else. I mean, that's one of the pieces of the planner itself is goals. So one of the big things and this was my thing is, like, I think that planners can be beautiful and there are lots of artistic and creative people out there, but I needed a planner that was going to push me towards action, and the first section of the planner is your five year plan. Then you take your five year plan and you break it down and there's a section in each month and how does that help you work towards your goals. And then in each week, there is these are my top five for the week.

Ashley:

So, like you were saying with your husband, like every week, if everything has just everywhere, then these are the five things that I need to accomplish in order to lay my head down on Sunday night and be like all right, I did it and I'm going to get up and do it again tomorrow.

Ashley:

And then at the end of the year, it is this, this period of reflection and setting new goals and saying, all right, this is what worked and this is what didn't, and this is like, maybe I didn't get as far in this category as I want to, and what am I going to make that look like next year? And the whole thread of that is to keep it front of mind that, like you have goals, yeah, and so exactly what you're saying if we can simplify these things that get dumped into our lap, that time you can choose to rest and not do a dang thing. You can choose to work, you can choose to pursue a passion or hobby, you can choose. But the whole key is you can choose what to do with that time, because you had that time and you gave it away or you spent it in service of this thing. That doesn't necessarily have to be your thing. And now you have that time back. What are you going to do with it?

Rachel Mae:

So good, tell us, what would your dream vacation be? So?

Ashley:

I currently live on the East Coast and I am originally from the mountains of Alberta. Really, I'm from Calgary, so two hours from there. My dream vacation would be some sort of Wyoming Montana wide open spaces, Nobody around. I am Canadian and so the heat is not my friend. I thrive in the snow and the cold. My dream vacation is like a snowboard getaway, cat skiing, something like that. Big fires, big like hearty meals, lots of somebody who's found that perfect piece of chocolate cake for me, and that's it. It's really just that I love that idea of quiet and lots of outdoor activity and adventure and things like that, but I don't want to sit on a beach with 87,000 other people. That is not my jam.

Rachel Mae:

Yeah, I'm with you. I love the water and I love the ocean. But the hot days sitting on the beach with hordes of people, I get so over it so fast and I just yeah.

Ashley:

I was a lifeguard on the beach in high school and there's a reason that teenagers do that, and there's like I was not made for the heat. I am made for the snow. I am made for like layers. I want to have to put layers on. I don't want to feel like I need to take my skin off in order to cool down.

Rachel Mae:

Layers of clothes and layers of cake.

Ashley:

Yes, here you go.

Rachel Mae:

This is the perfect recipe right there. Ding, ding, okay, well, fill in the blank. I feel most like myself when I'm.

Ashley:

I feel most like myself when I'm eating dinner with my kids. Okay, I like it. I also feel most like myself. I'm not very good at rounding these things down to one. I really like to cook and my kids really enjoy being in the kitchen and helping with that stuff and I want them to have that experience of. I grew up baking with my grandmother and I have so many memories of that and I do feel like I'm doing the things to honor what I wanted for myself when I was younger and giving that to them. So that's my real answer. That's my first choice is cooking and baking with the kids so great.

Rachel Mae:

The messy moments yeah, so good. And I feel like that's something again you're passing down skills and memories, like they will remember those moments, and also they're learning, like they're actively learning to be in the kitchen, so like when you do send them out into the world, they're going to have that little like arsenal of skills in their back pocket, along with all those memories of togetherness. So that's special. I like it. And a whole planning system yeah, exactly A way to execute it all without overwhelm Exactly, exactly, okay. So tell us I think I know the answer to this, but maybe not what's your current ambitious?

Ashley:

goal. My current ambitious goal is to continue to grow the company and to continue to find ways to help other people out there. Not feel like this is just this big snowball that has picked me up along the way and I am just along for the ride.

Rachel Mae:

That's the goal. Okay, so I am known for.

Ashley:

I am known for a very dry sense of humor and a lot of sarcasm. I am also known for telling it like it is.

Rachel Mae:

Yeah, it's a great combination. It's my kind of people.

Ashley:

Yeah, I don't have a lot of tolerance for the like beating around the bush on things. Like when I was in high school, I took an AP English class and you know everyone's very high level and very philosophical and very like what does this actually mean? And I was like we only read books about people having sex or people dying. Like what is this? And my AP English teacher was like I think you missed the memo. And I was like I am in the wrong class. We've just got to. We've got to boil it down. This is why I'm an OT, right. Well, like we've got to boil it down to what the elements are that we need to, like let's figure out where these pieces are and let's line them up in the way that makes sense. And that did not work within AP English class.

Rachel Mae:

That's so great. But it's like, once you know these things about yourself, it's like you're choosing your life path and your profession and the things that you're creating now. It's like you're using those skills to be like okay, like how can I take that no-nonsense and put it into action? Right? Like you're doing that with what you're creating, too. You're using that same piece of yourself to simplify this process, to like what are the bare bones here? Like what do we really need and what is just fluff?

Ashley:

Like weed it out. And I think, too, like a lot of people say, like I'm like a why not me?

Ashley:

person, right, like that's, like all of this is like you know, I don't I'm not gonna say that that's me a hundred percent of the time, but like the default is like I have a problem, let's figure this out. There's nothing like it out there on the market and I'm like, well, why not put it out there, why not create it? Because that could that could help, that could be something different, like that's a way to have an impact and to help other people. So, and along the way, like you, you'll find out, like you're not for everybody, and I think that that's a another important message that we need to send to mothers and to send to women like you don't have to be Everybody's cup of tea to be doing it right.

Rachel Mae:

You know, yeah, I'm dropping amens, we're going to church, okay. So now we know what you're known for. What's something that most folks don't know about you?

Ashley:

Most folks don't know that, despite the fact that I tell tell it like it is I am still impacted by things more than more than I probably let on. So it's a balance to have that like strong opinion and to have that like alright, we'd need to do that, but you still run into the shoulds and I think that we do a disservice to other people by trying to pretend that we don't have that. Like I Went through a pandemic with four kids and there were people that I thought were great friends who literally fell off the face of the earth In my life. And it's one of those things where you're like at the time, like I couldn't focus on that because I was so Surviving. Yeah, we're all you know. We're all trying to figure out like what is coming next and where where things go. So you know it's still. It's like I still see these people and I'm like what happened? Like cuz, you know, it is what it is like.

Rachel Mae:

Again, I'm not for everybody and I just have to remember that at the end of the day, right, but you're still human and we still internalize things like this is such a human thing to do is to internalize and wonder, especially when we don't have all of the answers.

Rachel Mae:

We tend to assign our own stories to things and make their own meanings, because it helps us move through them, even if it's not Helpful necessarily. I think that's a very human experience. So, oh, we're hitting hard here at the end. Okay, so fill in the blanks. So I do blank, so my kids blank.

Ashley:

I do therapy so my kids don't have to. I mean, if we're gonna, if we're gonna go deep, then let's just do that. I think that you can have things that carry on from generation to generation, and if you do nothing to Make it better and truly better, for your kids then you are Letting that snowball pick you up and run down the hill with you.

Ashley:

Yeah, and you know if it's hard, all of that stuff is hard. But if you don't, then you're just passing the buck onto your children because at some point someone's gonna have to deal with that.

Rachel Mae:

Yeah, ooh, that's powerful. Okay, well from the like. Deeper Philosophical questions there to what fills your cup, literally and figuratively.

Ashley:

What fills my cup literally is hot coffee. I Bought one of those, those heated coffee mugs, at the beginning of the pandemic. I'm telling you, that's some, that's some cash Well spent there.

Rachel Mae:

I've wondered about that. I've seen that both they're called like imber or something, the mother's. Yeah, it's worth it.

Ashley:

I wondered it's worth it. If you are the type of person that tends to lose your coffee, yeah, there you go, I. I got one because I was kind of like, well, I don't really know, and you know whatever, let's just try this. But quite literally, it's great because because the idea of being able to sit down for a hot cup of coffee can no Longer exist in a fantasy world for me when I have yeah, in the middle of a pandemic. So I was like, well, if everything is going to wherever, at least I am going down in my sinking ship with my yeah, exactly, my hot coffee.

Ashley:

What fills my bucket is seeing my kids grow and Become the people that they are meant to be getting out of the way to, to Provide the opportunity for them to be exactly who they are and not trying to put them into a box just because that fills some. Whatever fills my cup is Reading. I love to read, I do love to listen to podcasts. At one point, pre-pandemic, we traveled a lot, and so my looking forward to filling my cup is getting back to doing more, traveling and Showing my kids a world that is not just their neighborhood. There's no way to replicate the lessons that you learn and travel and being in different parts of the world and seeing different Communities and different ways of people living their life, and that just is a perspective that you know. I don't. I don't think you've got to go to like Argentina for the weekend to do it. I think that there's. There's great ways to like Enrich your kids lives with experiences and enrich your own life with experiences that are doable no matter where you are.

Rachel Mae:

I love it. Well, you. This has been absolutely delightful, thank you. We've gone way over the time that we allotted for this, but I'm not mad about it. It's great. It's been exactly what it needed to be, and then some. So it's just been such a pleasure to have you on the show and to get to know you a little bit better, and I'm so excited for my audience to get to know you. And again, I'm just so grateful for social media for bringing us together and dropping you into my world in this way, because it's such a treat to get to know and walk alongside other mamas as they're doing the dang thing. So I would love for you to just share with everybody where they can come and connect with you and follow along with your journey as well, sure.

Ashley:

Yeah, I will. First of all, I want to say thank you for having me. It was absolutely lovely to be able to come on and talk about, you know, the nitty gritty and the big and philosophical all in the same one. So you've got you've got quite a show going on here, you know. It's I think that the more conversations that that are out there, the better, and the more perspectives that are out there, the better. So I really love the format of this and what you're doing. Thank you for having me, thank you.

Ashley:

So, you can find me. I am on Instagram. It's at dovetaildesignsco. Dovetaildesignsco is the is the website where all the products are, and if anyone has questions or wants to know more, it's you can. I'm Ashley at dovetaildesignsco is my email address and I'm happy to answer questions.

Rachel Mae:

It's phenomenal. This has just been such a joy and again, I just appreciate you taking time to come on here and share a little piece of your story and your journey with us here, and I'm so excited to just watch all the things that I know you're going to continue to do in this world and and all the ripple effects that it's going to have all the lives it's going to impact. So keep doing what you're doing and I'll be here cheering for you and supporting any way I can Thank you.

Rachel Mae:

That's it for today's episode, but if you're loving this series and you want to join me for a conversation, follow the link in the show description to submit the guest form and let's chat, and if you want to continue the conversation with me over on Instagram, I'd love to connect with you there. You can find me at Mama's Cup of Ambition. I want to extend a special thanks to today's guests for bringing the energy and the good vibes to this podcast party, and a great, big, heartfelt thanks to you as well. This show exists because you tune in, and I really can't tell you how much your support means to me. And, last but not least, if you got something out of today's episode, it would mean so much to me if you would take a moment to leave the show a rating and review.

Rachel Mae:

Or, if reviews aren't really your thing, consider sharing the show with a friend who you think might take value from it. Those are both great ways to support the podcast and keep it going and growing. Plus, it just seriously fills my cup. So thank you. Okay, so until next time, make your dreams be ambitious, and may your coffee be strong. I'll talk to you soon.

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